Thrasher Journal – Tiago Lemos’ “Intervals” Interview

to stroll by means of the journey that took him from his humble residence in Brazil to the highest of the sport. That is an important interview from a once-in-a-lifetime expertise. As seen in our January ‘25 challenge.

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What’s up, man?
Chillin’ in Oslo. Simply bought completed skating with Pekka, ending this mission we have now been working on out right here.

Dope. Let’s take it from the highest. The place is Jaguariúna in relation to São Paulo?
Like an hour-and-a half drive from São Paulo.

Tiago and change again tails, you possibly can’t speak about one with out the opposite

What’s the vibe like?
It’s a small metropolis of 60,000 folks. It’s a metropolis surrounded by nature—there are numerous timber and a river runs by means of it. It’s well-known for being a cowboy metropolis. They’ve a pageant yearly, the second largest in Brazil.

Cowboy pageant? A rodeo?
Yeah! Precisely.

I’d have by no means guessed. I hear the phrase “jaguar” and I simply suppose you’re within the jungle.
Yeah, we have now them! Town is surrounded by timber and they’re on the market.

He bought ‘em frontside too. Change tail on a jungle camo rail

So how did you find yourself driving a skateboard and never a horse?
I began skating due to my brother, once I was like ten or 9 years outdated. My brother simply confirmed up in the future at our home with a skateboard, and I used to be like, Woah, what’s that? It was his good friend’s. I feel he borrowed it to get residence in the future. However he saved yelling at me, “Don’t contact that board!” Then in the future he went to highschool or to work, and I took it. I didn’t know what I used to be doing—skating by means of water, sand and filth—and ruined the bearings.

Rattling, you had no thought.
When he got here residence, he was tremendous pissed as a result of he must purchase his good friend new bearings. However he additionally seen that I actually wished to skate. 

No approach.
At first, I’d simply comply with my brother and his buddies on my sister’s rollerblades. Then in the future he mentioned, “No extra, that’s wack! Let me set you up a board.” He went to the park and bought outdated components from the homies and bought me a whole. I began skating on daily basis with him. Then kite season got here and I offered the board for kite components.

What? Kite season?
Yeah, I offered the board for like 20 reais or one thing like that. I purchased some traces, sticks and the papers to make a kite. My brother bought so mad at me! He mentioned, “Bro, by no means ask me for something once more. If you wish to skate now, you’re going to get your personal setup. I’m not serving to you.” When the kite season was over, I didn’t know what I used to be going to do. I simply saved going to the skatepark to relax, watch the homies skate after which skate on their boards once they had been drained or one thing. Later, I bought some outdated stuff from children on the park and made a setup. I by no means stopped skating after that.

Fightin’ the massive banks? Nah, Tiago occupies the massive block at Zuccotti Park with a change criminal   Photograph: Peters

How outdated had been you when began going to São Paulo to skate?
I feel I used to be like 16 or 17. The primary time I ever went there was for a contest once I was 15. I went with my dad as a result of I used to be sort of nervous; I didn’t know what it was going to be like. With my dad, I discovered take the bus and metro. After that, I began going on my own and made some buddies on the market. Lots of the homies that I met on the contests would at all times invite me to return keep at their place and skate with them. After my dad noticed it was cool, I used to be there on a regular basis on my own. I’d stick with Kaue Cossa for per week and we might simply fly kites and skate all day. It was exhausting to remain in Kaue’s home for too lengthy at the moment as a result of folks saved exhibiting as much as skate—yet one more individual then one other and one other. Which meant extra meals, extra water and extra showers.

Skaters multiply, huh?
So I might simply keep on the home for 2 or three days then go to a different homie’s home for one or two days till we had nowhere to remain. Then we began to go to this practice station, São Paulo Conceição. It was once a skate spot again within the day as a result of it had a roof and marble floor. We used to skate the entire night time and make a lot noise. Town made some cuts within the marble so we couldn’t skate the entire spot anymore. However they left just a little area that was a adequate quantity that we might nonetheless skate. We began going there, would skate and find yourself sleeping there. Even the homies that had homes and locations to remain would stick with me. They had been like, No, no, we’re staying with you. Then we might at all times keep there. Skate, sleep, stand up at 6AM, take the metro to downtown and skate all day. All of the spots—Vale, Roosevelt, the whole lot. Then again to the metro station when it could get darkish.

How did you eat?
There was an enormous grocery store shut by. We might simply go there, steal some meals and return.

Rattling, skate survival. That’s the stuff you don’t give it some thought on the time. Then you definitely suppose again and notice how loopy it’s to be sleeping within the practice station at 15.
Yeah. I journey on that generally. However we had been all simply having enjoyable. So, I didn’t notice the exhausting instances or something.

Who was your crew that was sleeping on the practice station?
Me, Kaue, João Gabriel, a bunch of us. There was additionally this child Thomas that was there. He was the youngest, however he was essentially the most G. He was like 12, however knew the whole lot. He confirmed me throughout São Paulo. We had been doing it for therefore lengthy. Three months of doing that and sleeping on the practice station then go to Kaue’s home. Simply to bathe, eat one thing actual fast, change after which increase—return once more.

I bear in mind you saying that one of many OG professionals saved you guys one night time.
First was Bruno Aguero. He mentioned, “I do know you’re sleepy. Let’s go. Sleep at my place, no drawback.” I informed him no as a result of he was already a professional, an enormous title. I used to be kinda shy. “I do know you’re sleeping on the road. It’s no drawback. Let’s go.” After which I went. Bought to know his mother and his household. They took such excellent care of me: mattress, meals, bathe, the whole lot. I might keep there for like one or two days after which again once more to the metro.

You didn’t wish to abuse the hospitality.
Then I met one other OG professional, Fábio Castilho. He mentioned, “No, you’re by no means going to remain on the street anymore. Each time you come to São Paulo, you keep at my crib.”

That’s dope. Have been you already sort of making a reputation for your self skating and like contests and stuff?
Yeah, folks began to listen to about me from contests. I didn’t have something, so the contests had been an enormous probability for me to make some cash. I bought so good at skating contests for some time; I feel I’ve like over 100 trophies in my home.

It’s sort of how it’s important to come up in Brazil, proper?
Yeah, you go to the competition to be the place the skateboarding is going on and be within the scene. And like each weekend had a contest someplace. So I began touring throughout Brazil. That’s how I bought on DC, too. I did nicely in a contest after which they began giving me some footwear. It was the way in which to get seen.

What was the primary Europe contest you went to?
Mystic Cup in Prague. One 12 months earlier than I went to Argentina, but it surely’s like tremendous near Brazil. The 12 months earlier than Mystic, I went to Europe in 2010 with no cash, like simply my ticket.

How’d you get the ticket?
I used to be staying at Fábio’s home and Tulio Oliveira texted me, “Yo, I’m going to Europe. There’s going to be a contest. You’ve been doing good in contests and I feel you can also make good cash.” Fábio’s mentioned, “You’ve bought to go!” However for me at the moment, it was unattainable to even think about. I actually had nothing. Then out of nowhere Fábio simply bought on the pc. He begins looking for passport registration, asking me all my data proper on the spot to get me a passport. He took me to the place to get it and paid for it and the whole lot. If it wasn’t for Fábio, it could be an entire completely different story of my life.

No approach. That’s insane.
So I bought my passport after which he mentioned, “Now, you go residence and attempt to make the cash to purchase a ticket.” So I went again residence. I offered some random product I received from contests and made like 200 reais however the ticket was 1500. I saved asking my dad however he wasn’t having it. We might simply argue and I’d say, “I’m going. You’ll see. I’ll make it occur.” After which I requested my sister. She lends me 500 or 600 reais and I had two extra. Randomly I bumped into my homie, a photographer named Moska. He was speaking about how he was making an attempt to go to Europe and go to the contests. His mother was sort of fearful about him going; he was older than me, like 18. His mother bought in touch with my dad and he or she let him know the way necessary the contests had been and the way good I used to be doing. If she was letting her son go, he needed to let his son go. So lastly, my dad determined to let me go. He began believing in me extra after which he lent me like 1000 reais.

No bar’s too excessive for our man. Boosted change bottom flip

You made it!
I purchased the ticket final minute and met Moska on the airport. I had the ticket and no cash in any respect. I used to be simply hoping that Moska had just a little bit of cash and will assist me just a little bit however had no thought. After which increase! I’m in Barcelona. Moska already had a spot to remain however I had no thought the place to remain. I used to be simply going to attempt to speak to the homies on the market. After we bought to the home he was staying at, it was all of the Brazilian homies that I knew from the competition! They had been all tripping that I made it on the market. I requested if I might keep there for a few days. They requested if I had cash, I informed them no, however they had been all cool with it. They informed me that the man that rents the residence was touring and that he can be again in per week or two, so I might keep there.

And had been all of the skaters going to the competition?
They had been all there for the competition, however no one wished to go anymore however me.

The one with no cash.
Yeah, however Moska was nonetheless going to shoot pictures. I begged Moska, “Please, assist me get there. I’m going to generate profits and I’ll pay you again.” He wasn’t having it and began getting pissed that I used to be asking. I don’t know, man—it was my dream. I began fascinated with all people that helped me get there and I simply began crying in entrance of the place to purchase the ticket, you understand. Moska, already pissed off, simply says, “Cease crying” and purchased me a practice ticket.

That’s insane, however how had been you going to get into the competition?
That was the subsequent mission. Tulio saved telling me to return to Europe to skate the contests, so I knew he can be on the market, and he might presumably assist. So, once I noticed him, I anticipated him to examine in on me and ensure I used to be all good as a result of he was used to this sort of factor. However he was caught up and I used to be too scared to ask him for assist.

Yeah.
Moska began getting tremendous mad as a result of he paid for me to get there they usually had been about to shut the registration and I used to be too scared to ask Tulio for assist and he begins getting mad at me once more.

Rattling what had been you going to do?
Fortunately, Danny Cerezini and a bunch of different bigger-name professionals bought there late so that they had been going to increase the registration. So I ultimately talked to Tulio and he lent me the cash. So I bought up at 6AM and went to Tulio’s resort, bought the cash and went to the skate park.

Then how did the competition go?
There have been three runs, I feel. The primary run, I didn’t land something and Moska was going loopy. Like, What the fuck, bro?! What are you doing? I informed him to relax, and the subsequent two runs I landed the whole lot. I made it to the finals with the big-name professionals, completed fifth general and took residence some cash.

Not only a ledge lord, he can change again noseblunt something   Photograph: Peters

How a lot did you win?
Two-thousand or 2500 euros, one thing like that. I instantly paid Moska for the ticket and Tulio for the registration.

Man of your phrase.
Moska additionally broke his digital camera, and he was the principle purpose I used to be there, so I lent him some cash to repair his digital camera. It was the least I might do.

So that you’re again. Did you have got extra cash nonetheless?
Yeah, I used to be good—tremendous chilling. The following contest was Rattling Am in Amsterdam and I used to be capable of purchase a ticket to get there and the whole lot. Then I misplaced all of it once more earlier than the competition even began. 

What do you imply?
We get to Amsterdam all hyped. We resolve to go stroll round to see town, try the cafés and the red-light district, all that vacationer stuff. We went with the homie Maizena and he had this disposable digital camera and saved taking footage of the ladies within the glass window. That’s an enormous deal on the market. You aren’t supposed to do this. So the prostitute comes out on the streets and begins screaming at him. We couldn’t perceive however might inform they had been pissed and he simply retains taking footage and laughing at them. Out of nowhere, some enormous safety guard begins chasing us. We took off operating; it felt like we had been operating perpetually. We lastly get away, and I cease in a retailer to purchase waters and as I am going to pay, I discover my pockets was gone. The place the fuck is my pockets, bro? I misplaced my pockets with all the cash whereas operating from the blokes. We went again, jumped the identical partitions, the entire approach again and we didn’t see something. I used to be so bummed—again to zero {dollars}.

Rattling. How did the competition go? How do you pay for registration? Did you get in due to the final contest?
I bumped into Thaynan Costa. I knew him from contests in Brazil when he was just a little child.

Brazas are all over the place you want ‘em to be, huh?
We had been tripping and I began telling him the whole lot that occurred. I didn’t know
what else to take action I simply skated the park all day lengthy.

Skate the park and present them that you simply belong there.
Thaynan lent me the cash. I bought within the contest after which I bought first place within the qualifiers and went straight to the finals. 

Tiago books his personal flight to this chest-high bar in Oz. Change again Smith   Photograph: Peters

The Golden Ticket!
Yeah, you get to go to Tampa and the whole lot! I saved skating ‘trigger I used to be so stoked. I couldn’t imagine it. Then I rolled my ankle tremendous gnarly.

No approach.
Yeah, I couldn’t stroll. My homies carried me off the course. Then, as a result of some huge soccer match was in Holland, all of the accommodations had been full and we had nowhere to remain. We tried and tried, however mentioned, Fuck it, and went to a practice station to sleep on the practice whereas it ran. Simply bought on it and simply let it undergo the night time, till we bought woken up by safety guards telling us we would have liked to get off.

All this with a rolled ankle.
Then we simply went to the competition and I skated by means of the ache. I skated and bought third place after which second place at the most effective trick; it was loopy. I discovered that trick that I by no means did in my life—by no means tried, simply landed that day. 

What’d you do?
Entrance feeble varial heelflip, by no means completed it in my life.

No approach.
I received like three or 4,000 euros. So I used to be feeling good once more, after which from there to a different contest in Rome. I bought fifth place there, bought some more cash, then we went again to the residence in Barcelona. I met the man that rented the home and he mentioned, “No drawback, you possibly can keep right here.” I used to be so hyped. I went straight to the grocery store, purchased groceries and crammed up his fridge.

That’s tremendous cool.
Then I began spending all my cash on silly shit, going out at night time and shopping for random gear—Nike Air Max—all these things I might by no means afford. Not even one month glided by and I spent all the cash that I made.

Nollie again 180 in our personal yard. These streets are at all times free to enter

Yeah.
I went again to zero and was making an attempt to determine my flight again. Moska mentioned he was gonna keep. He preferred Barcelona a lot. This was my second flight ever in my life; I used to be so scared to return on my own. As a result of the flight would go to Qatar once more and I must look forward to 10 hours there and get one other flight to Brazil. I didn’t wish to go on my own. I ended up lacking that flight as a result of I took the mistaken bus to the airport. I simply went again to MACBA with my bag, no cash, nothing. I believed, What am I going to do with my life? Then this woman exhibits up. She was once buddies with the Brazilian guys I used to stick with. She was like, What are you doing along with your baggage right here? I informed her the story and that I didn’t have a spot to remain. Out of nowhere, she known as her mother and was like, Let’s go to my place. So I’m staying at her place together with her mother and father. They had been tremendous cool, and even cooked for me. My three-month visa was about to run out and this woman used to return again from work and see me speaking to my mother and father or buddies tripping about how I’m going to get again. Then in the future she got here from work and informed me she purchased me a return ticket. I used to be so glad but additionally so confused. I’ll always remember what she mentioned ‘til at the present time. She informed me, “It’s worthwhile to comply with your dream.” Years later, I went again to Barcelona, contacted her to satisfy as a result of I wished to pay her again and he or she didn’t need the cash.

It’s simple to get caught up in Barcelona. Such as you mentioned, all people went there to skate the competition however ended up not going.
I went again residence and my dad noticed that I used to be doing good on the web. Watching the webcasts and stuff. He requested me the place the cash was to pay him again and I needed to inform him I had no cash.

Did you present him the Air Max?
I informed him I spent all the cash and he was so mad. However after that, issues began figuring out. DC Brazil began giving me footwear on a regular basis and taking me on some journeys. I used to be lastly capable of pay my dad and my sister.

Lots of people helped you alongside the way in which. Is that sort of the place you get it from? You at all times appear to be serving to out your crew.
I really feel like I by no means had something. Every thing I’ve now’s due to skateboarding, and the those who helped me. So I at all times attempt to assist and simply give it again, due to the those who helped me to get the place I’m. Like Talles Silva, he’s been good for therefore lengthy and I’ve been making an attempt to get him to return to the US.

You at all times appear to go above and past in your crew—letting them keep on the home, shopping for all of the meals.
Yeah, for us coming to the US is the final word dream. We simply wish to skate the spots, actually, not even to generate profits or be well-known or something, simply to be right here, meet the skaters, skate the spots from the movies. If I see a dope child in Brazil skate, I attempt to see if there’s something he would possibly need assistance with. Or when any of the Brazilians make it out to the US, I’ll allow them to crash on the place for a bit.

Who’s been staying with you latterly? Who’s arising subsequent?
Talles lastly bought his passport and has been on the home. He’s on hearth. This previous summer season it’s been Wilton Souza, Marina Gabriela, Leo Bodelazzi, Lucas Marques and Leo Favaro. These are a few of the new guys arising which were staying on the home in Lengthy Seashore.

Change shove 50-50 as cool as the colour blue

You go above and past although. Didn’t you purchase everybody tickets to the KRS-One and Kool G Rap present?
Oh, yeah. I wish to guarantee that they’ve a superb expertise, you understand, the identical sort of expertise Gerdal—Rodrigo Petersen—confirmed me once I first got here right here.

So what was your first time within the US like? How did that occur?
After Europe, I went again to Brazil and the DC international group did a tour throughout Brazil and I went with them. I skated nicely on the tour, so that they put me on in Brazil. They gave me a contract and the whole lot. After the tour ended, the group supervisor informed me that he was going to ship me to Tampa, and he took care of the whole lot.

Tiago followers are available in all shapes and footwear. Crooks for the high-heeled homie. As seen in his Spitfire half

Okay.
I want to say that once I was in Barcelona I met the SK8Mafia guys. I stayed in touch with Peter Smolik by means of Instagram, so I began pondering possibly I might keep in San Diego for 2 months, go to Tampa, then return to Brazil. I despatched Peter a DM on Instagram and he informed me to return to SD and stick with him. Then once I bought to the airport, he wasn’t there. I had no thought what to do as a result of I didn’t communicate any English. All I had was a paper together with his cellphone quantity and deal with. So worst case, I used to be pondering, I’m going to take a taxi to his place and I’ll wait in entrance of his home. I see this man that had a damaged arm on the identical flight as me so began following this man within the airport. I went as much as him and mentioned, “Peter Smolik? Skate?” It turned out he knew who Peter Smolik was. After which I had his quantity on the paper, and I used to be exhibiting him. Then he understands. He calls Peter after which tells me to attend and never go away. I sit there like for one hour after which Peter exhibits up out of nowhere—sitting within the passenger seat all the way in which again like a G with a blonde woman driving. The automotive had suicide doorways. I believed, No approach. Then I bought contained in the automotive and simply sat there ‘trigger I couldn’t speak. It was so bizarre. I couldn’t perceive something after which the entire sudden he’s like, Quantos años tienes? After which I understood. He took me to his place and we went to the bar.

Solely a choose class of excessive steppers can hit the tall wall at Pulaski. He’s nonetheless in a category of his personal, nollie again tail

That’s why he wished to know the way outdated you had been.
I’d go to the bars with him after which have one beer. After which subsequent day, he would wish to do the identical factor. So lastly I used to be like, Yo, Peter, let’s go skate. He pointed to his shoulder like he was injured, “No skate.” On that first journey, I didn’t also have a board as a result of it was my first time within the US and all my stuff was so outdated I used to be too embarrassed to carry it. Peter lastly decides to skate and I don’t also have a board. So he took me to the Pacific Drive store. He simply waved his hand, and mentioned, “Take no matter you want.” It was the most effective skateboard I ever had. I’ll always remember it: Mafia board, Indy vehicles, Spitfires and Bones Swiss. I at all times wished to strive Indys my complete life and at last bought some. We lastly went skating, then we met up with Jake Brown. He took us to the DC skatepark in San Diego. He had the important thing, so we went to the skatepark. Simply me, Jake Brown and Peter. After which I began skating like loopy, like I couldn’t cease with my new skateboard and the whole lot. After that, we went to Jake Brown’s home and Smolik informed me I used to be going to sleep there. Then the subsequent day, Jake and Peter had a signing someplace and they’d be again Monday.

How did you perceive?
I used to be there for nearly two weeks, so was studying extra English, kinda understanding just a little higher. It was additionally loopy as a result of Sean Sheffey was staying at Jake’s home whereas I used to be there however I didn’t know who he was at the moment. I wouldn’t say a phrase. He would come residence, have a look at me, not say something and go to his room. So scary, I used to be pondering, Who is that this man?! He’d come out, cook dinner meals and return into his room.

What did you do all day whereas they had been gone?
I couldn’t go away the home. He lived in a gated group and wanted a automotive to get out. He didn’t have meals in his home, solely Monster vitality drinks. His fridge was filled with solely Monster. So I spent the primary day like that, ingesting Monsters to outlive. I knew that if I left the group there was no approach that they might let me again in as a result of there was a safety check-in. I believed, I can’t do that till Monday. After which I began on the lookout for a WiFi outdoors and I discovered a random one within the neighborhood I might be a part of. It could join for like two minutes then die.

No approach!
As soon as I linked to the web I noticed a message that Gerdal texted me. I by no means talked to him ever in my life. He was asking me if I used to be within the US and I informed him the place I used to be and my state of affairs. He simply says immediately, “I’m going to choose you up. Ship me the deal with.” However I didn’t have it. I went again inside to search for mail for an deal with. Three hours later he was there.

Is Hensley nonetheless Smolik’s favourite skater? Possibly this change Pupecki would change his thoughts   

No approach. Gerdal to the rescue and also you’ve by no means met him.
Him and Carlos Ribeiro confirmed up.

That exhibits the place you get it from. You guys have a robust bond. You’re at all times serving to one another. I’ve been seeing it for years. It’s actually dope.
Yeah, that’s why I’m who I’m. All of it comes again.

Respect. After which what? They took you to Costa Mesa?
Yeah, they took me to Costa Mesa.

All of the Brazilians! Did you immediately really feel again at residence?
It was so good! I stayed in Costa Mesa the remainder of the journey. Gerdal took me again to Jake Brown’s home a number of days later to get all my stuff.

Yeah, that’s the place we met. I informed everybody you weren’t gonna make it due to your XL blue camo DC jersey.
Oh my God. So dangerous, bro.

I bear in mind speaking to Rodrigo TX and I mentioned, “Yeah, he’s good, however his gear is craze.” TX known as it. He mentioned, “He’s the most effective. He’s going to be the most effective out of all of the Brazilians arising. Watch.” And now right here we’re.
Wow, that’s loopy he mentioned that.

Takin’ the change entrance blunt for a stroll down the block   Photograph: Peters

Did you at all times gown like this? Did you ever have a hessian section?
Nah, I began skating in 2000 and I began skating with my brother and that was the model on the time. So I’ve been skating the identical since I used to be 10 years outdated.

Yeah. Now all people caught as much as you.
It’s again, huh? Lastly. Once I got here to America for the primary time in 2011 it was completely different. Everybody was in smaller pants. Some Brazilian skaters that used to put on dishevelled pants would go to the US then come again to Brazil carrying tremendous skinny pants, ingesting all loopy, smoking, having tattoos. I simply determined that I’m by no means going to alter. I bear in mind folks used to make jokes about my pants.

I used to be folks!
It was humorous as a result of years later, I see some individuals who used to make enjoyable of my pants carrying them now and I ponder what occurred.

It’s no secret that you simply love ’90s-era skateboarding. I believed it was actually dope that after we put out the 1010, your first shoe, you wished to provide all of the OGs that impressed you a pair of your footwear.
Yeah, man. I simply wish to give the respect to all of the OGs that helped form my skateboarding. I wouldn’t be right here with out them as nicely.

He at all times pays respects to the OGs—and does methods they may by no means dream of. Change again noseblunt fakie flip out

What was it from that period that appealed to you a lot? Who’re those that influenced you essentially the most?
I used to be an enormous fan of all of the plaza and metropolis skaters: Keenan, Gino, Henry, Marcus, Stevie, Kalis. You realize, those that did dope methods and appeared good once they did them. And with the 1010, I simply wished to point out like to those that impressed me: Jeron Wilson, Henry Sanchez, Javier Nuñez. All of them nonetheless kill it too. It’s an honor to see them skate my shoe. I actually can’t imagine it generally. I additionally bear in mind everybody speaking about TX, and I by no means knew who he was. I used to be at all times asking myself, Who is that this man? TX? Lastly, I bought to see all his stuff and the way he made it to the US and the whole lot. I wished to be similar to him. He’s most likely my largest inspiration. TX was at all times primary.

Is there anything you wish to say? How was it engaged on this video?
Oh, yeah. I’m so proud of my half. I haven’t seen the entire video but. I can’t wait. I began fascinated with how Jamie and Brandon’s components will look and bought tremendous hyped. These guys have completed the craziest issues!

A couple of beneficiant strikes would possibly’ve made the distinction in his profession, however expertise like that is exhausting to cover. From a village in a jungle to the highest of the meals chain, he earned it with each change NBS. Seen right here on our residence turf and the entrance of the Nov. ’24 magazine. Obrigado, Tiago